[The lack of speaking for a bit makes everything they have said bob and weave. Heavy shit. Not at all what would be ideal for how tired Matt is and how hurt John is. Life's sense of timing is pretty shitty at that. Matt lightly shakes his head in denial.]

No. That can't be it. Salvation is supposed to be for everyone, it's not conditional. How do you know that's not the--the shit they're feeding you to torment you?

[Tenderizing and torturing up until the end sounds particularly fiendish. Though right now the sheer irony that he parades around in red with horns is not at all the sort of conflicting flavor he wants to bring into the discussion.]

...even with--with doing what should be done? I don't understand.